Religion: Your comments.
30th September 2002. You may be interested to know that Ron Avery has now published a book, "Alien Physics" expounding his views on religion.1st books.com: "Alien Physics"
The following is an exchange of emails I had with Ron Avery. I was at first confused because in his first email Ron introduced himself as a Hyperspace Alien, and I had never received an email from a Hyperspace Alien before. However, it transpired the he was after all human. I invited Ron to compile his thoughts into a single document but he suggested this format would be less formal and more informative. Read on......
From: Ronald F. Avery <ronavery@ev1.net>
To: keithmayes123@aol.com <keithmayes123@aol.com>
Date: Thursday, July 19, 2001 1:07AM
Subject: Some answers I have questions to
Keith,
I visited your site tonight at www.thekeyboard.org.uk/GOD. I see you are much like modern preachers, they too have the answers before they have the questions. However, nothing is so convincing as your own experience. There is truth in the world and there is also answers to questions in the world. But as you rightly have said the question and the answers both have to be defined. I have discovered that Christianity and modern science have both been modified to reach an equilibrium that is not correct to either field. The result is occulted mainstream Christianity and polluted pseudo-science.
As you took the liberty to define a God we could agree on, let me take a crack at defining God as I know him and I think you will agree with me in numerous points:
1 . God is Eternal Space - the totality of it - as Newton said - Space is infinite in every direction and its center is everywhere. This is God. He is everywhere to the smallest of atomic components to engulf the largest and farthest galaxies.
2. Christ Jesus is the only begotten Son of Eternal Space - The virgin, Mary, was overwhelmed by Eternal Space and that thing that was conceived in her womb was then called the Son of God. Jesus was at one with God at the creation of all things and is therefore the cocreator. Jesus was sent into the world by His Father. All things were cocreated by Christ Jesus for him and by him all things consist.
3. The Holy Ghost is sent by Christ Jesus by his words recorded in the New Testament - The Holy Ghost is at one with God and Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost share all of Eternal Space equally at one.
4. Christ Jesus had two properties that no other man before him had. The power to fill all of space and the power to envelop all of space. No one at any time will be able to 90 beyond his spatial parameters of eternity . All the galaxies and stars and space were contained in the body of Christ while he walked upon the Earth. When he was crucified, all things in the cosmos were crucified, when he was resurrected, all things in the cosmos were resurrected, when he ascended, all things in the cosmos ascended.
5. Jesus exercised the power of space over all things within itself. God has power over all things He creates within himself. There is nothing outside Himself as nothing can be outside of eternity. Christ Jesus instituted the Kingdom of Heaven or God on Earth. The death, resurrection, and ascension are the gateway to heaven. This operation has been performed upon all things in the cosmos.
6. Keith Mayes has been crucified, resurrected and ascended into the Kingdom of Heaven. But, Keith may not know it or may reject it. But as of this moment Keith has heard about it. The seed has been planted. And if Keith wants to travel to the galaxies forever, he will humble himself, die with Christ, rise with Christ and ascend with Christ and be ready to fill and contain all things himself just as Christ Jesus did. You too now have the power to become the Son of God.
7. If all things are in Heaven and have been operated upon by the Son of Eternal Space, where is Hell? Hell is outside the Kingdom of God or Heaven. But there is nothing outside right. Right! Hell is nowhere, but people will go there. And they will 90 there by themselves completely alone in total darkness, where the worm does not cease and where the gnashing of teeth and the wailing is continuous
To learn more of the significance of our definitions and the impact upon physics, modern science and Christianity see AlienPhysics.com
The key to physics is space. But if you cannot define what space is or unite with it, you will not see life.
Sincerely.
Ron Avery
Hyperspace Alien
From: Ronald F. Avery <ronavery@ev1.net>
To: Keith Mayes <keithmayes123@aol.com>
Date: Thursday, July 19, 2001 1:34AM
Subject: Your "Nothing" and my God
Keith,
Your definition of nothing and my definition of God are almost identical. Under your explanation of "where did the universe come from" you have defined well the idea that indeed nothing never has existed. God has indeed always existed! God is also not nothing as many modem theologians have defined Him in their doctrine of ignorant worship. God is Eternal Space. Space has always existed and will always exist. And contrary to Einstein and Descartes space is not created by things placed within it. Space is alive and has all power and has a plan and we are central to it. May God bless you in your search with Himself. For it is God's will that all men seek after Him and find Him.
Sincerely,
Ron Avery
From: Ronald F. Avery <ronavery@ev1.net>
To: Keith Mayes <keithmayes123@aol.com>
Date: Thursday, July 19, 2001 2:04 AM
Subject: UFO's
Keith,
I hope you don't mind me making comments as I read your site. But I like you mind! like St. Paul said of the Greeks, "l like these Greeks, they are thinkers."
On the UFO stuff, I agree with you and your assessment of modem "sightings, abductions and stuff' but I have a comment that should be logical to you and is also Biblical. Given that the operation of Christ Jesus was comprehensive over the entire cosmos (all space and therefore all time) it is operational on every galaxy and star everywhere. Meaning there cannot be two SAVIORS in all of space and time. And the SAVIOR of all space and time was sent to planet Earth to perform the once and for all operation upon all things in the cosmos. From this little nothing called Earth (Ephesians 1: 10):
"That in the dispensation of the foulness of times he (God, Eternal Space) might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him."
You see what has happened on our little planet that I am excited about? Yes, no matter how far you look, no matter what you discover from now on, it has been operated upon and exists in the physical body of Christ Jesus. Praise God, who conceived and has done such mighty things on planet Earth! Amen.
Sincerely,
Ron Avery
Hyperspace Alienee
From: Keithmayes123@aol.com <Keithmayes123@aol.com>
To: ronavery@ev1.net <ronavery@ev1.net>
Date: Thursday, July 19, 2001 10:30 PM
Subject: Hyperspace Alien
Hi Ron,
Thanks for your emails which I read with interest, as I did your web site. I am however a little confused. Are you saying that Space is God? If so I have no problem with that. Well, just a little one. Wouldn't that mean that space, in its entirety, is intelligent, has meaning and purpose that is not embodied in anyone place or form, that all of it, the entire cosmos, is one organism? If so then we, as humans, are as much a part of 'God' as the rest of the universe, a point I make myself in my web site.
That being the case why is it that we need to undergo some form of change, that you claim you have gone through, in order to be in touch with God and "travel to the distant galaxies in a blink of the eye"? We are all already a part of God, are we not?
Are you saying that you can do this, visit distant galaxies? And that I could to if I somehow changed?
What secrets do you know about the universe that the rest of us don't, and can you give examples that I, a layman, would be able to understand?
Best regards,
Keith
From: Ronald F. Avery <ronavery@ev1.net>
To: Keith Mayes <keithmayes123@aol.com>
Date: Friday, July 20, 2001 3:25 AM Subject: Answers to your Questions
Keith,
I am excited to hear back from you and I am happy to answer the questions you sent me.
I can indeed tell you secrets concerning the cosmos and what it is and how it relates to us. Some of these secrets have been known and expressed better in the past then they are now. But let me get right to the task at hand - answering your questions:
1. Are you saying that Space is God?
Yes!
2. Wouldn't that mean that space, in its entirety, is intelligent, has meaning and purpose that is not embodied in anyone place or form, that all of it, the entire cosmos, is one organism?
Yes and No. Space is intelligent, has meaning and purpose and is the singular essence of God. And the entire cosmos is one living God. But Eternal Space or God is embodied in one place and form. That place and form is the body of Jesus Christ. Jesus is the very first man to ever demonstrate the capacity of all human beings to contain all of God. This is what makes man unique in all of space and time. Mankind can unite with God totally.
"And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not." (John 5:37-38 Jesus speaking).
The shape of all space and all things therein is Jesus Christ the first hyperspace alien.
3. If so then we, as humans, are as much a part of 'God' as the rest of the universe,... That being the case why is it that we need to undergo some form of change, that you claim you have gone through, in order to be in touch with God and "travel to the distant galaxies in a blink of the eye"?
All men in any condition are indeed a part of God as any other part of the universe. And all creatures and material things faIl into this category of being a part of God. But we cannot be at one with God as a mere part of God. A chair is not at one with God in the sense that the chair appreciates the knowledge and sensation of union and praises God for it. But the chair is apart of God's Heavenly Kingdom.
In fact being in touch with God in not sufficient to be at one with God. Men and women of the Old Testament times were in touch with God, much like a long distance phone call. But they were not at one with God in His Singular Essence of Eternal Space. Christ Jesus is the first man on Earth to exhibit this quality. That is why being good is not really a substitute for being at one with God.
AIl men need to undergo an operation to be transformed into a different kind of creature. This new creature can not be created by our own doing because it is the result of an act outside of ourselves. This new creature is no longer a material based being but a space based being. This new creature no longer fears death because it has eternal life within itself. This new creature fills and contains all of God, and all of Eternal Space just as Christ Jesus did while he walked upon the Earth.
"Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh: and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." (John 3:5-6 Jesus speaking).
He who is born of Eternal Space or Spirit or the Holy Ghost is no longer flesh - he is SPACE-ALL OF IT. Notice that without a space birth one cannot enter into the Kingdom of God or Eternal Space. You can only look at it for a while. But you will one day be able to fully travel to any place in the cosmos with the twinkling of the eye. But without this space birth you will not be able to live anywhere much less travel to the galaxies.
"No man putteth apiece of new cloth onto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse. Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved." (Matthew 9: 16-17 Jesus speaking).
Notice that mankind cannot contain all of eternal space on his own. If he attempts this, he will burst his very body. That is why the operation that Christ performs is both spatial and physical. Christ performed it with his own human physical body and when we die, resurrect and ascend with him we obtain new bodies to contain all of space and time as he did while he was on Earth. We cannot put a beautiful new patch on ourselves for that is ugly beyond our bearing. We cannot put eternal space into a body that is not transformed by the operation of Christ. For we will begin to boast of our achievements that while we were the servants of the fear of death without Christ we now obtain eternal life for ourselves on our own. Our own bodies will not contain that lie - but will burst and reveal the truth. Christ knew he had to die to perform this operation for us.
4. Are you saying that you can do this, visit distant galaxies? And that I could also if I somehow changed?
Absolutely correct! That is the GOOD NEWS! No special machine required! Your transformed human body is created in the image of God and it will be able to travel anywhere in the cosmos in the twinkling of an eye. The Kingdom of Heaven is the cosmos and going to the Kingdom of Heaven is dwelling in the cosmos and travelling in it any where you desire at the speed of desire. This is Alien Physics the power of space over the things created within it by it. You have capacity for it and if you are changed by the operation of God through Christ you will indeed travel to any distant galaxy you desire.
Now I have not been to Andromeda and cannot go in the morning but I do in fact contain Andromeda in my body just as Christ did while he was on Earth. And I do fill all of space with my spirit as Christ did while he walked upon the Earth. I do have Eternal Life right now and I have entered into the Kingdom of Heaven.
"But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us. Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus." (Ephesians 2:4-6 St Paul speaking).
But my body has not been glorified as yet and I cannot leave the Earth to travel the galaxies until it wears out. At the death of my body, I will remain at one with all space and Christ Jesus and the Holy Ghost. When Christ returns to the Earth to judge the world at the end of this phase of history, I will take my body as Christ did on his resurrection. I will have a glorified body as Jesus does now that is capable of manifesting itself anywhere at any time in the twinkling of an eye.
Anyone who learns of this operation that Christ performed and allows it to operate upon themselves will be transformed into the Kingdom of Heaven to possess their own souls in confidence and oneness with Christ and all space and time. This will not be lost once obtained! But if one rejects this opportunity to contain all space and time their death will be tragic. For that is the last of their own decision making time. At the resurrection of the bodies of all men by Christ Jesus who raised the dead at his will by his own words, will say, "depart from me for I know you not." This departing is permanent and its domain is nowhere - total darkness and agony with knowledge of separation from all things and all time and space. The ultimate black hole - Hell.
5. What secrets do you know about the universe that the rest of us don't, and can you give examples that I, a laymen, would be able to understand?
Honestly, after having reviewed some of your web site I believe that much I have already told you was a secret to you and it still is to most modern physicist and many modern churches that preach Christ.
Yes, Keith, I can tell you more secrets and I can give you examples that you are able to understand. My book at AlienPhysics.com reveals many secrets that have been covered for many years. When my editor is finished I would like to send you one.
But for now I pray this for you as St. Paul said in Ephesians 1: 15-23:
"1...Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers; That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fullness of him that filleth all in all."
Now what is the world that is to come? It is the world of the post judgement when no man will exist in time or space that is not transformed by Christ Jesus. The tares will be cast out into total darkness. My prayer is that knowledge find you and transform you into another hyperspace alienee.
Sincerely,
Ron Avery
From: Keithmayes123@aol.com <Keithmayes123@aol.com>
To: ronavery@ev1.net <ronavery@ev1.net>
Date: Friday, July 20, 20011:53 PM
Subject: Re: Answers to your Questions
Hi Ron,
Thanks for your detailed reply which I read with interest. I feel the need to be as completely honest with you as you appear to be to me. I have great trouble in coming to terms with the acceptance of God and Jesus and have done so since a child. I have always thought it would be reassuring and comforting to be able to believe, but have never (apart from my time as a small child) been able to.
Faith is a strange and difficult thing, you either believe or you don't. There is no "test" or evidence that can be examined regarding religion. You obviously have a great deal of faith, that is your choice and where your life's experiences have led you. My life has been different and nothing has led me to believe in the existence of God, quite the reverse to be honest.
While it appears to me that you are very happy with your belief, be it right or wrong, you are on the other side of a closed door from where I am standing. I can not go through that door even if I wanted to because to go through would take faith, and as you know you simply can't decide to have faith, you have to have it.
Do not misunderstand me, I do not presume to judge that you are wrong, not at all. Who am I to judge? It's just that I can not make myself believe, something would have to happen in my life to bring about that change naturally. So far it hasn't.
As far as faith is concerned, I am firmly on the fence as a don't know, waiting for more data. I often wish I could believe, it would most likely provide the answers that I seek.
Good luck with your book by the way, I am sure it will prove to be most interesting.
Apart from the fact that you live in Texas, I know nothing about you but you have roused my curiosity. For myself, I have lived in Scotland for the past ten years but was born a Londoner. I am 55 And have two girls from my first marriage and married again when I moved to Scotland. Pretty normal sort of life really, and one that I am happy with, although a lottery win would be nice!
So what caused you to embrace religion with so much obvious passion? Something must have happened to you.
Bye for now
Regards
Keith.
PS. I liked your answers, right or wrong the logic is sound, and I do like that!
From: Ronald F. Avery <ronavery@ev1.net>
To: Keith Mayes <keithmayes123@aol.com>
Date: Saturday, July 21' 2001 5:01 AM
Subject: Pleasant Conclusion
Keith,
This is the "fool with the answers" again. I have enjoyed our little exchange on the web but I have just a few final observations I would like to point out concerning your last email:
First of all you are a thinking man and all that is required to come to the knowledge of the truth about God and Jesus and Eternal Space or Spirit is the hearing and enough thought about it. You are merely a man who has heard and read for many years many falsehoods regarding Christianity as well as physics. But the often hearing and accepting of data does not mean these things are true. Do you doubt that you have heard from me? Am I not evidence? Are my words not evidence? Is my logic not evidence? What is evidence? Is your own experience not evidence?
Secondly, Christ Jesus is the author and finisher of faith. If all Christians had was faith they would be of all men most miserable. Faith is what the Old Testament people had. But Christ came to Earth full of Grace and Truth. Faith is the attraction to God, which you have, and Grace is the obtaining of that which attracts you. In other words faith is seeking and grace is the possession of what you sought.
You already have faith, Keith, or you would not entertain any of this we have been talking about. It is knowledge that you lack and you can get that easily. It is not a crime to not have knowledge except for the holder to not share it.
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." (Hebrews 11 : 1 St. Paul speaking)
"Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God." (Hebrews 12:2 St. Paul speaking)
"Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls, Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:" (1 Peter 1:9-10 Peter speaking)
So we see that St. Peter agrees with St. Paul that faith is finished at his salvation or his transformation Which we have covered. Grace is the possession of that which you once sought. Now for the mind blower:
"If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first fruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." (1 Corinthians 15:19-22 St. Paul speaking)
Therefore we see that faith is the evidence and substance of hope, but Paul says also that we must have more than hope in Christ. If that's all there is in Christ is hope them we Christians indeed are all men most miserable. But now we are operated on by the power of God or Eternal Space resident in Christ Jesus.
Now finally, faith is totally insufficient to be transformed into a new creature. For it faith was enough then those of the Old Testament would not have needed the operation of Christ Jesus in his death, resurrection and ascension. Christ opened the door that you say is closed. You say you cannot go through the door even if you wanted to. You are treating faith like genetics, you either have the gene or you don't. This is error. There is no such thing as faith genes. What is needed is the recognition of a reality that has been altered by the operation of he that created the whole thing. The real principle in operation here is this: No man can live in a place that his mind does not perceive. The perception of living in Heaven was not possible prior to the operation of Christ Jesus.
.Paul confirms this insufficient faith when reciting a long history of the grate people of faith in the Old Testament Paul says they did not receive the promise and were not perfected.
"And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect."
Keith, I am saying is that faith, in your case would do little good without the knowledge of the operation of Christ that opened the door for you to go into the Kingdom of Heaven. You are indeed on the other side of a door. But the door is open and you can't close it. Only Jesus can open and close the door. The door you see closed is your own mind. You think your mind is open, but, it was closed by those who don't want you to find the door, much less go through it.
However, you are right in that you can't decide to have faith and for that matter you can't decide to be saved or transformed but you can discover the truth which will result in your transformation. In other words, its knowing the truth about reality that saves you. I also get the message that you think the entry into "faith" is through some sort of personal tragedy. But more times than not this type of event does nothing for those who resist the truth for other reasons.
Therefore the safest bet is to follow your mind and its curiosity . And Keith, you have already stated that I have peeked your curiosity. If that is true, then pick up where I leave off with a new reading of the New Testament in light of what I have told you about it. And finally Christianity is not a mere religion it is a description of a spatial and physical reality that is operated upon by space itself. Christianity is ALIEN PHYSICS with evidence surpassing all of that provided by the most brilliant modern physicist.
A personal note - I am a bar tender at the tavern I own in McQueeney Texas. You can visit it at SilverEagleTaphouse.com I too have been divorced and I have three kids. I am 54 years old and had two girls by my second wife - "pretty normal sort of life really ." I too could stand to win a lottery. I adopted my second wife's son when he was 4 and he still lives with us at 28. I love him and my whole family. God has blessed my home.
I embraced not religion but the truth when I discovered it in Christ Jesus. What happened to me was the revelation of what a sinner I was. Christ came to save sinners and it just so happens that every man born into the world is a sinner. Everybody therefore is eligible for a ticket to the Kingdom of God. Kinda nice idea I think.
It has been a real joy to interact with you and I will check your web site from time to time. God can give you the strength to look at yourself and the world as it is. May God bless you and your family.
Sincerely,
Ron Avery
Hyperspace Alien
From: Ronald F. Avery <ronavery@ev1.net>
To: Keithmayes123@aol.com <Keithmayes123@aol.com>
Date: Sunday, July 22, 2001 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: Pleasant Conclusion
Dear Keith,
I have had a great time with our exchange and you have challenged me to prove up what I am and why. Very few people are willing to have this type of exchange because it goes to the core of a person. You are as honest of a man that I have ever conversed with. Honesty will lead and protect you. I wish you to go nowhere that you do not fully comprehend. I wish you the best as well and believe me I will look forward to any message from you and I like your web site and photos. I think I like Scotland!
Sincerely,
Ron
-----Original Message---
From: Keithmayes123@aol.com <Keithmayes123@aol.com>
To: ronavery@ev1.net <ronavery@ev1.net>
Date: Saturday, July 21, 2001 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pleasant Conclusion
Hi Ron,
I enjoyed reading your emails very much. I do not think I have met a man, or woman, with such a strong faith as you. You appear to be at peace with yourself and the world, as if you have found the answers to all the problems that ever beset you. In your way I think this is precisely what you are saying. In this respect I must admit I envy you, my mind by comparison is very troubled. Not with life, I am content enough with that and more fortunate than many poor souls on this planet. The things that trouble me I have mentioned in my web site and maybe one day I too will find the answers-
The obvious difference between us is that I seek the answers in science with a blind faith in the subject. This I know may be proved wrong, and perhaps in seeing this I have taken a small step along the way. The habits and beliefs of a lifetime however, can not be changed overnight but. . . . the journey of a thousand miles starts with but a single step. . . . .
I sincerely thank you for your kind words and wishes and hope that life brings you the things you desire and that faith sees you through the bad patches that I hope will never befall you.
Best wishes,
Keith
ps. I am now going to look at your business web site and expect I will no doubt contact you again at some future time.
You can contact Ron Avery at: ronavery@ev1.net
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